A couple of quick answers to some US Forums questions.
1) For Population data on the normalised graphs I have used the Warcraft Realms Census.
2) I will be making a US version soon.
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Updated stats for all eu.armory teams using personal Ratings, all teams with 0 games played have been excluded.
I have also added a new chart showing the difference in representation between the last stats (season 2, 24th Oct) and the current Season 3 stats.
Very noticeable is that Shammies, Pallies and Mages have suffered heavily in 2v2 with half as many represented at the higher ratings (same with Pally/Shammy in 3v3) while Druid has rocketed by over 100% in 2v2 and 3v3 (and this is probably the main reason Mages, Pallies and Shammies have taken a large hit).
Rogues and to a lesser extent Priests have also seen very nice gains in 2v2/3v3.
Hunters have actually taken a hit in 2v2 but seeing decent gains in 3v3/5v5 although they still lack decent representation.
Season 3 Class representaton relative to Season 2
2v2
3v3
5v5
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thank you for the update
Thank you for the update. But I'm still missing the point:
How many players from each class are playing in the 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 bracket.
The numbers are kinda irrelevant :)
However the table would look something like this (for 2v2):
*note the lower ratings are only listed in very small battlegroups due to the armory 5k limit and hence are not accurate to how many are actually in that bracket.
Rating Class No. Percent
800 Druid 0 0.00
800 Hunter 1 100.00
800 Mage 0 0.00
800 Paladin 0 0.00
800 Priest 0 0.00
800 Rogue 0 0.00
800 Shaman 0 0.00
800 Warlock 0 0.00
800 Warrior 0 0.00
900 Druid 1 33.33
900 Hunter 0 0.00
900 Mage 0 0.00
900 Paladin 0 0.00
900 Priest 0 0.00
900 Rogue 0 0.00
900 Shaman 1 33.33
900 Warlock 1 33.33
900 Warrior 0 0.00
1000 Druid 2 11.11
1000 Hunter 0 0.00
1000 Mage 2 11.11
1000 Paladin 1 5.56
1000 Priest 3 16.67
1000 Rogue 3 16.67
1000 Shaman 2 11.11
1000 Warlock 3 16.67
1000 Warrior 2 11.11
1100 Druid 2 4.26
1100 Hunter 7 14.89
1100 Mage 14 29.79
1100 Paladin 6 12.77
1100 Priest 2 4.26
1100 Rogue 3 6.38
1100 Shaman 2 4.26
1100 Warlock 5 10.64
1100 Warrior 6 12.77
1200 Druid 15 13.39
1200 Hunter 15 13.39
1200 Mage 15 13.39
1200 Paladin 4 3.57
1200 Priest 10 8.93
1200 Rogue 16 14.29
1200 Shaman 10 8.93
1200 Warlock 8 7.14
1200 Warrior 19 16.96
1300 Druid 79 11.90
1300 Hunter 56 8.43
1300 Mage 99 14.91
1300 Paladin 29 4.37
1300 Priest 48 7.23
1300 Rogue 93 14.01
1300 Shaman 74 11.14
1300 Warlock 60 9.04
1300 Warrior 126 18.98
1400 Druid 1679 11.17
1400 Hunter 1484 9.87
1400 Mage 2056 13.68
1400 Paladin 1444 9.61
1400 Priest 1376 9.16
1400 Rogue 2234 14.86
1400 Shaman 1390 9.25
1400 Warlock 1497 9.96
1400 Warrior 1870 12.44
1500 Druid 6606 9.89
1500 Hunter 5454 8.16
1500 Mage 7691 11.51
1500 Paladin 7586 11.35
1500 Priest 7956 11.91
1500 Rogue 9013 13.49
1500 Shaman 5463 8.18
1500 Warlock 8415 12.60
1500 Warrior 8625 12.91
1600 Druid 2968 10.58
1600 Hunter 1740 6.20
1600 Mage 2321 8.27
1600 Paladin 2982 10.63
1600 Priest 3979 14.18
1600 Rogue 4205 14.99
1600 Shaman 1835 6.54
1600 Warlock 4094 14.59
1600 Warrior 3933 14.02
1700 Druid 1301 13.34
1700 Hunter 471 4.83
1700 Mage 676 6.93
1700 Paladin 747 7.66
1700 Priest 1520 15.58
1700 Rogue 1504 15.42
1700 Shaman 506 5.19
1700 Warlock 1560 15.99
1700 Warrior 1470 15.07
1800 Druid 646 15.01
1800 Hunter 177 4.11
1800 Mage 223 5.18
1800 Paladin 291 6.76
1800 Priest 626 14.54
1800 Rogue 717 16.66
1800 Shaman 162 3.76
1800 Warlock 694 16.12
1800 Warrior 768 17.84
1900 Druid 203 17.73
1900 Hunter 41 3.58
1900 Mage 53 4.63
1900 Paladin 61 5.33
1900 Priest 170 14.85
1900 Rogue 201 17.55
1900 Shaman 25 2.18
1900 Warlock 201 17.55
1900 Warrior 190 16.59
2000 Druid 157 17.41
2000 Hunter 19 2.11
2000 Mage 43 4.77
2000 Paladin 38 4.21
2000 Priest 136 15.08
2000 Rogue 157 17.41
2000 Shaman 24 2.66
2000 Warlock 168 18.63
2000 Warrior 160 17.74
2100 Druid 46 24.60
2100 Hunter 14 7.49
2100 Mage 6 3.21
2100 Paladin 5 2.67
2100 Priest 23 12.30
2100 Rogue 33 17.65
2100 Shaman 1 0.53
2100 Warlock 24 12.83
2100 Warrior 35 18.72
awesome job as always
Very nice, thanks for doing this.
Would it be possible to extract the specs from the classes out of the xml too by any chance?
There are big differences in specs between f.e. ferals / restos or shadow / disc or elemental / enhancement etc etc.
It would be nice to see just how many of these "underpowered" pvp-specs are getting to a higher rating
Thanks for the numbers Vhairi!
And the numbers aren't irrelevant, because 14 of 9509 (0,14%) Hunters are in the 2100 Bracket. On the other Hand 46 of 13705 (0,34%)Druids are in the same bracket.
And this destribution within a class, isn't shown in your table.
re. Class distribution at various ratings relative to the class total, I see what you are aiming at and I could possibly produce another chart to show this but I am a bit concerned about showing too many charts as it might get a bit confusing.
The existing charts take the total number of players within a bracket, and show how many of each class can be found at that rating relative to the rating total.
This allows you to easily identify trends, e.g. the number of mages drops off hugely in high-end 2v2, and from looking at the chart this is likely down to druid+dps pairings.
Beyond that further analysis is needed as these charts are by no means meant to be a definitive answer, just a start point.
re. class specs/team compositions.
I have the code in place to parse Talents so I will probably get around to this.
re. Team composition, I have also wanted to do this but the potential number of combinations is obviously quite scary and I would have to make some assumptions, e.g. for a 2v2 take the 2 players with the most games played for a season and assume that is the combo of choice.
However as I don't (currently) parse multiple player entries when someone joins/leaves a team (and then sum these entries up) the data accuracy may not be great.
Still, it is on my to do list. :)
great work man, thanks!
anyway, i don't get what does "normalized for population" means and the difference between the non-normalized graph, as there are some huge differences between the two.
for instance: shamans and warriors in 5v5 have some huge differences between norm and non-norm graphs
The Normalised for population takes into account how popular that class is using the WarcraftRealms Census data.
There are 9 classes, as such each class should, in theory, represent 11.1% of the population. In reality this isn't the case (e.g. Shamans/Pallies were only available to 1 faction until TBC) so this potentially impacts on the arena stats.
As an example:
Census:
Mage 14% (126%)
Shaman 8% (72%)
So we then adjust the arena data to 'normalise' to 11.1%, e.g.
Shaman 100 Players
Mages 100 Players
Mage: (100/126)*100 = 79
Shaman = (100/72)*100 = 138
The normalised data then uses these adjusted values to account for population.
However, where there is a high population this is largely irrelevant, e.g. A populous class just means over-supply and that surplus is largely irrelevant.
However a class with low population is much more likely to be constrained by demand exceeding supply, and therefore is of value when regarding these classes (e.g. Shaman/Paladin).
So... generally speaking you need to look at both version of the graph to get a more accurate, but more subjective, picture.
I think the only problem you face when normalizing for population percentages is that a large number of people may have rerolled to be a "better" arena class.
For instance, shaman, at 7% total population (last i saw) are being vastly upped in numbers due to population normalization, when the reality is, the class is so bad at pvp in general, that most serious players have just rerolled.
Agreed, normalisation is by no means foolproof (quite the opposite) but a lot of people asked for it, and it does add some value so . . . :)
this is PURE UTTERLY SHIT as it does not show CLASS SPECS.
what about retribution paladins? feral druids? shadow priests? moonkins? destruction warlocks ? firemages? and so on.
this thing here shows nothing (but that hunters need a nerf, and probably restoration druids, but not without fixing their other talent trees BY A LARGET MARGIN e.g. make them A LOT STRONGER (mostly feral, a bit moonkin)
your work is uselsess as it is now.
ok
dont listen to that guy
i linked this page to so many ppl -
its just great
talent distribution would be interesting of course, but i cant see how to do that without building a graph for each and every class
i think the wow section of sk gaming had a chart of "popular builds" so they probably did that
haha i doubt he listens to a people like that. man, this is the best spreadsheet i've yet to see. it seems to give a pretty valid picture, at least my personal experience correlates with it just fine. (2000+ warrior here)
keep it up, and thanks.
Aye my 'OK' was more a 'uhh, ok whatever' :)
I will be rescanning soon, hopefully US pages too. Once that is done I will then hope to do a more specific class based one every week or so.
Will see how it goes. :)
Can you please show another view, which I think would be helpful. Show distribution within class across the ratings, unaffected by ratings from other classes. That is to say, if there are 100 rated mages, across all pvp ratings, what percentage of them are rated 1300, 1400, etc. This would give you a rating distribution for the class across all ratings.
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